My son started a home based preschool in August 2008. The classes were 3 days a week, 3 hours a day. The rates were affordable and the school came highly recommended by trusted sources.
From day one until yesterday, my son CRIED and BEGGED me not to go to the school. He said, he didn't like the school. I thought it was because he just didn't want to go to school and wanted to stay home with me. He would always cry and ask to go to Learning with Tanyetta (the preschool I hosted at my house for him and the other playdate friends since last year)
I discussed my concerns with him and asked a few trusted sources to talk to him to see what the apprehension against this school stemmed from. He said he just didn't like it. The school was too long and there were too many projects.
I thought it was because he just didn't want to do the work and wanted to play all day.
Well, fast forward to this Monday when everything began to unfold.
My son told me on the way home,
Mommy, I had a fight with _____________.
I asked him to explain.
He said, he found a worm and his friend wanted the worm and asked for it. He told her no and she punched him. He said he punched her back.
I was very concerned listening to the story and made sure I got all the information then I called his little friend's mother. She said she would ask her daughter and called me back. She called me back and confirmed this fight did in fact occur.
We both asked the kids what the teacher said and here's where things a got a little WTF!
Me: Where was your teacher?
DJ: She wasn't there. She was in the house.
Me: What do you mean in the house, wasn't she right there when this happened?
DJ: No mommy. She never comes outside to play with us.
Well...this really concerned me. I talked to the other mom and her daughter confirmed that the teacher isn't outside when they're playing for recess.
This all happened on a Monday afternoon, I pondered on how to respond to this situation. My main concern was to handle it in a professional, calm and effective manner. I wanted to rip this woman's head off. Point blank. I'm paying you to NOT supervise my child? Ummm...I think not.
I spoke to my husband and daughter about it and they asked me what I wanted to do. I said I wanted to tell the teacher what DJ and the little told me about the fight and ask if she was aware of it. If she then confirms that she didn't know about it, I will ask her why. They said it sounds like I had a plan.
I was so proud of myself, I just knew that the conversation would go over well and the teacher would sympathize with my concerns and would supervise the children and monitor their movements closely.
Wellllllllllllllllllllll...........that would have been nice if it all went down this way. Needless to say, it didn't.
*sigh, sigh, sigh*
Me: DJ told me he had a fight with his little friend at school on Monday. Did you know about this?
Teacher: No. When did this happen?
Me: It happened on the play yard. They were fighting over a worm by punching each other. Did you witness this?
Teacher: No. I didn't.
Me: Where were you when this took place?
Teacher: I must have been in the house at the time or on the other side of the play yard. I'm not really sure.
Me: I'm really concerned this happened and you weren't aware of this.
Teacher; Well, were they hurt? It must not have been that serious since I didn't hear about or see it happen.
Me: It's very serious because punching could have led to something more serious and bruises or more could have happened.
Teacher: Leaning forward on the desk, crossing her arms with a sarcastic look on her face. Well, I only have TWO eyes and you tell me how I'm supposed to watch all 8 kids every single moment of the day?
Me: I am not here to tell you how you're supposed to do your job. It's YOUR responsibility to ensure all the children's safety on your watch. If this isn't attainable, please let me know.
Her: You have very UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS if you think me or any teacher can keep an eye on the children at all times of the day.
***PLEASE KNOW THAT I FOUGHT BACK THE URGE TO CUSS THIS WOMAN OUT. I COULDN'T BELIEVE I WAS HEARING THIS COME FROM THE SAME WOMAN WHO WAS ALL MISS MARY POPPINS AT REGISTRATION TIME. WOW, TALK ABOUT A WOLF IN A SHEEP'S CLOTHING***
Me: I didn't come here to have a tiff with you, I am going to discuss this further with you after class. You have a class to cover and I don't want to take from the day. I would greatly appreciate if you could keep a very close eye on the kids today. It would ease my mind. Thanks. I'll see you after class.
I went to the car and just sat there stunned by what just took place.
After class, I went in to speak to the teacher hoping to have a better civilized conversation.
Yeah, fat chance.
The teacher had a LIST of things my son did WRONG during class.
Yup, you read it correctly. She had a LIST.
Darrin LAYED<<---yes, people this teacher wrote LAYED. I had to stop reading.
I looked at her and told her that she was a piece of work and she was so way out of line with this list and I was very offended that she would respond to my concerns in this manner.
She said, well....not only did he do all of this but, here, look, I took some pictures of how he behaves during class.
Here's a photo of him putting his head down on the table when he was supposed to be doing one of his projects. Here's another photo of him throwing toys across the room.
I had to STOP her and explain to her I'm BEYOND upset over this. Today is his last day of school. I came to speak to you about some very valid concerns and instead of you being sensitive to my concerns, you've taken to respond in a very unprofessional manner. This is very unacceptable. She said, that's fine, you can take his stuff now. I have 3 children on the waiting list so this works out perfectly.
I stood there in disbelief in what was taking place. I took my son and left.
Why did the teacher call my house talking out she didn't appreciate me telling the other parents that she doesn't watch the kids.
Oh, I had to make sure I called her back to tell her that it's MY responsibility to tell them that the teacher that we pay good money to entrust our children's safety told me I had UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS of her.
I had to remind her of her words.
She only had TWO eyes. There's NO WAY she can keep an eye on all 8 kids at all times. It's just not possible. Those were YOUR words. What does that tell me? It tells me that you are NOT responsible enough to be trusted with the safety of my child or any children in your care. Was it wrong of me to tell the parents of my concerns? Of course not.
I told her look, you confirmed your disdain for my son by the way you handled this entire situation. You made a list of all the things he did WRONG in your class, you took photos of him misbehaving and made sure to single him out in front of his little friends in school today.
You never once mentioned any of this ill behavior until I came to you with very valid concerns about my son's safety. Instead of handling this in a professional and caring manner, you chose to respond in this very unprofessional manner. I can't accept that. On top of everything when I told you I was taking my son out of your school, you didn't even take time to say goodbye to him. Yeah, that was the last straw for me. No matter how you feel about me, my son was in your school for 3 months, I would think the last day with him, you would have at least said, a proper goodbye.
Well, you're supposed to give me a 2 week notice, I'm letting you off the hook.
Ok, look, I'm done dancing with you on this. Here's my final words on this........
Good luck in doing damage control. I would suggest you write a letter to the parents informing them that you only have TWO eyes and you can't watch them at all times. Let them know that if they expect you to ensure their children's safety, they also have UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.
This conversation is OVER. I have NOTHING else to discuss with you. You've told and showed me everything I need to know on the type of teacher and the type of school you're running. I have no desire to have my son in your care a day longer.
Goodbye.
If the woman calls my house again, I am NOT going to promise that I will be nice to her. I can't stand when people don't want to take responsibility for the shit they created. Come on now. You're the teacher, You're the one being trusted with the safety of children. Have and show some respect. Being defensive is SO NOT COOL. EVER.
And all she's worrying about is me informing the other parents of what is the truth. Woman please. Stop.
Here's the advice I've received so far:
1. Call the licensing office to report lack of supervision on the school site.
2. Forget her. Your son is out of her care. Let the other parents find out the hard way on the type of person she is.
3. Request a refund for the remaining days you paid for in advance for this school.
I'm sure there's more. My head is so clouded right now.
All I wanted to happen from this was:
I wanted to discuss my concerns with the teacher and she would have shown sympathy to my concerns and clarified that she would closely monitor the children when they're on the play yard.
All she had to say was, I'm sorry this happened. I will make sure to keep an extra eye on the kids. Thanks for informing on the situation.
That's it.
I never expected her to respond in that manner.
Edited to add: I want to be very clear on my feelings about Teachers/Educators. This one situation doesn't change my complete respect for the roles and responsibilities of Teachers/Educators. This post is in no way to lump all teachers into one pile as to say ALL teachers would behave in this manner. I simply posted this to express what I experienced and hopefully gain some insight on what went wrong. I wholeheartedly feel every parent should be informed of the irresponsible position this teacher takes on ensuring their children's safety. If this happened to another parent, I honestly would hope they would come forward to inform me as well.
Geez, I'm so worn out from all of this. I've shed enough tears. Thank GOD my son is safe and away from that place. Good luck to the other children in her care. I can't, won't and will NEVER go back.
Thursday, October 30, 2008
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Yeah, I would report her. Tape all your conversations and let her know you are taping them.
What about the other parent in the hitting incident?
The other parent is a very good friend of mine. She was very concerned and very shocked on the way the teacher responded to my concerns.
I applaud your reactions, as if it were me and my child, trust it would have went down totally different.
I agree with suggestions 1 and 3. The licensing board needs to know that adequate care is not being given to kids in that environment. And I'd promptly want my money back.
Oh, and I think I'd cause abit more havoc for Miss supposed-to-be a teacher by creating a flyer and passing it out to the community.
Oh my lord, if she can't handle her damn job why is she in the business? Ooo and you said shit on the DJ blog! You should be a lawyer, LOL!
- Sheena
logged in as Greg
@laughing--Trust me, I wanted to react totally opposite on how I did. I knew this was NOT the time and place. I was so proud of the way I handled every single thing.
It was so frustrating because I felt like she was TESTING me on so many levels. I have issues with people that try to test me. I see how people snap and get locked up for slapping a bitch or two every now and then.
LOL at the flyer. You know you just might be on to something!
@Sheena--OOOPS. I cussed on the blog? Ya'll forgive me. I have been through so much lately.
I can see my (all 2 of them) advertisers dropping me from their roster as we speak! LOL
I cannot believe what I just read. The school that Christopher is attending has to give a report of any injury. I have dropped in unannounced at playtime and the teachers of the class HAVE to be out in the yard while the kids play and they were too.
I got one injury report when he scrapped his knee in the play area. He was bandaged up and all and they had to tell me what steps were done from the point of injury.
I applaud you woman. You behaved very nicely. I could not say I would have been the same. What hell...is it all about a check for her? If she "only has 2 eyes" then don't have more than 1 or 2 kids. Ridiculous.
How are you doing otherwise? Text me. I feel the need to meet with you soon.
Can you believe how much nerve these people have?
Report her irresponsible, neglectful ass!
I am floored. As an educator I am disgusted by this kind of behavior because it is precisely why so many people hate teachers and think that we are unreliable. I am so disgusted.
As a parent, I am angry that there are people like this in positions of such great responsibility. It makes me want to homeschool my daughter.
I would NOT forget about this. I would go to the licensing agency, to other parents, the the school district so that she is removed off their list of recommended preschools. I would go to the mattresses if needed.
You should also submit this post to The Carnival of Education which is being hosted by my very good friend Lorri. Go to http://blogcarnival.com/bc/submit_5.html
Thank you ladies for your emails and comments.
absolutely ridiculous. you handled it perfectly. I wouldn't have kept my cool that long.
I had to de-lurk on this one. I don't even have kids yet, but trust me, if I did - I don't think that I'd be able to maintain my composure the way you did.
I hope that you do report her to the licensing board, and make sure that you get your money back!
Her behavior is appalling.
OMFG. THAT is ridiculous. To not even show slight remorse about the fact she wasn't watching the kids properly is unacceptable. If she was a friend and she had alot of kids over for a play date, I could understand the whole "can't watch all 8 kids at once" thing but she is a PROFESSIONAL and you are PAYING her to keep your child safe and be aware of what he is doing at all times. I would have been even angrier than you were and there is no way in a million years she would have survived the conversation without me slapping her. You were right to tell other parents and you are right to put your concerns out there on your blog. Anything could happen while they aren't watching the kids properly and everyone is right that you should not only report the incident but the lady's attitude.
As for her trying to make you feel bad about DJ's "behaviour", the boy is FOUR for god's sake. Sounds to me like the is a normal inquisitive four year old who doesn't always pay attention at school. Joey is very much like that and while his teachers often tell me he is crazy/ defiant/ doesn't listen, they would never dream of trying to blame something they did/didn't do on his behaviour. In a way I am glad this incident happened as now you know that DJ is better off out of there and you can find a better pre-school for him to attend.
(((((HUGS)))) from me. xx
YOu did well! :)
Without a doubt report her! How dare she take such offense to you calling her on her mess, that she would single out a child and take PICTURES! That is wrong on soooo many levels SOO many! The fact that she is NOT outside when the kids are outside is unexceptable. I would stand outside the school monday and tell every parent going up in there what happened!
I would definitely report her because she obviously doesn't think she is doing anything wrong. You reporting her is not an act of revenge but is out of concern for other children.
TANYETTA RUN AND TELL 'DAT (isn't that the name of a movie??) GIRL RUN AND TELL 'DAT...report her. it could be worse the next time-a child gets bitten by a dog, or a baby runs out into traffic, falls into a ditch and break a leg or something.
Tell on her neglectful azz-nip it in the bud now. Don't 2nd guess urself think about the other children who are currently in her charge.
Maaaaan you did real well cause I KNOW for a fact that I would have snapped on her sacrasitc azz and ripped her a new one. She would have definitly had a visit from some kinda licensing agency.
I'm glad you were so professional and handled it masterfully. I'm gonna need to take a page from you playbook and leave the extreme desire to open a can of whoopazz on people (especially one's I'm paying) at home.
REPORT HER AZZ! And then...contact every parent you know there and let them know what's what. HOW DARE SHE? THIS B HAD PICTURES OF DJ?????? MISBEHAVING IN CLASS??????? SHE TOOK THE TIME TO TAKE A FUGGING PIC INSTEAD OF CORRECTING HIS BEHAVIOR AS AN EDUCATOR SHOULD??????????
Maybe there is a reason I CAN'T have children because I do believe had I had to deal with something like this I would have been hard pressed to keep my cool.
You did good Tanyetta. Now...REPORT HER AZZ!
I would be BEYOND ticked! So, if they're out in the play yard alone and someone comes by and swipes one of them, it's not her problem beacause her 2 eyes were somewhere else? Mabe surfing the net or something.
When my daughter was just one, I had to hire a babysitter since I was working at the time. I showed up early from work to pick her up and I'm ringing the bell and get no answer. I start to freak. I look through the window and all 3 kids that she "cared" for were in their own playpen, in front of the TV. I was about to call the cops (heck, maybe she died) when she finally came to the door with a towel wrapped around her head. She had been in.the.SHOWER! With 3 infants in her care. I was LIVID. I personally stood outside her house to let the other parents know.
Oh, and if she can take photos, so can I! I would go and take pics of the kids in the yard alone!
I am speechless!
You handles yourself well. Report her and then let it go. If any of the other parents ask why DJ is no longer at the school or if any new parents ask you for a reference, then you can explain your situation.
Do not go badmouthing her. This is California after all. Don't open yourself up to any potential litigation. That's just my humble opinipon.
Honestly, I really don't think it's worth a report. I know. I know. Not exactly a popular opinion. But it's not worth it. It could happen to anyone. You turn your eyes for just a second and two kids get into it with each other. It's kids being kids. Count the endless times it's happened with you at home with just your one child & his friend. You leave the room for a sec and your child & his friend are playing. When you come back world war 3 has nearly happened.
You mentioned that others have spoken highly of her. Maybe she could have responded with a little more consideration. She could have been a little more understanding. However, what happened isn't cause for a lawsuit or an official report. If it was, just about every daycare, preschool, school etc in the nation would be shut down. In retrospect this is happening all day long when kids go to school. Sometimes it's reported to parents when it's seen,many times it's not because it's not seen.
Pray on it. Don't respond to her out of an emotional place. Respond out of a place of genuine concern for what happened. It doesn't appear that any other parents have dealt with this, if so you would not have received positive recommendations.
I'm sure you will make the right decision. Let the victory be the Lord's and not your own.
~Peace
Nope. She'd be toast.
I'd report her. Apparently, she lacks professionalism and self-control. If the only way she knows how to handle a complaint or constructive criticism, is to get nasty and play tit for tat, she doesn't need to be around any other children but her own.
If you told me that something happened on MY watch, I'd want to know about it, so I can ensure that it doesn't happen again.
I have to be honest with you.
You were too nice.
She can't supervise 8 children?
First of all, it is a violation of every law for children to be anywhere without supervision. The school should be slapped with - in the least, a huge fine.
If indeed, the children play unsupervised, the school should be closed down.
Bottom line.
I hope you saved the letter in which she misspelled lied. That's completely unacceptable.
Didn't NCLB demand that all teachers be highly qualified?
Teachers like this make the rest of us look bad.
By the way, thanks for submitting your post.
My goodness! That is crazy!!!! I taught preschool for a few years and I would never leave the kids outside to play by themselves.
I had a parent that expected me to follow their child around the playground, as if their child needed their own special teacher to protect them. I had another parent that wanted me to leave the rest of the class by themselves so that I could take her child in the bathroom, pull down his pants, put him on the potty, wipe his butt, etc. Now that's unrealistic expectations!!!!! Going outside with the children is not unrealistic.
I would like to add . . .
It is very difficult to be aware of everything that is going on in a classroom. A teacher can be involved in an art project with a child or sitting on the floor reading to another. It's easy to miss things.
Taking the kids outside without supervision is pretty crazy though. Is the yard fenced in? Do you think she took another kid inside to use the bathroom?
I have had a situation where my daughter (3yrs) had soap put in her mouth to punish her!!!
The adults have now begun to defend there actions by blaming my little girl! SHE IS THREE!!!!
I would like to invite you as a friend on facebook...so you can join my group "daycare put soap..."
YOU ARE RIGHT! As parents we have a RESPONSIBILITY to defend our childrens rights.
YOU GO GIRL!
If only the women of the world would unite we would be invincible and more importantly OUR CHILDREN WILL GROW UP SAFE!
This is an unfortunate experience.
My daughter goes to private school and just recently I had to sign an incident report [another child pinched my daughter]. I was given a copy and we discussed it after class. It was handled very professionally.
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